I also think the double edged sword of IR is that it has such a wide variety, it does so many things that it’s hard to hold onto these things and market yourself as such. Topics will include surviving a radiology residency, radiology residency learning materials/books, financial tips, jobs, among other subjects that residents and other visitors may be afraid to ask or unable to find out. Nothing, but I'd rather be happy in pediatrics making $200k as opposed to miserable in ENT making $500k (feel free to insert whatever specialties you'd want here, I'm just making these up). [–]not_a_legit_source 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). My point is that it's a myth that the average medical student can realistically attain those lucrative tech/law/finance jobs. I'm not really sure how to fight the corporate takeover that is happening. The docs owning these small centers see the writing on the wall and are offered a lot of money to buy out -- you'd be a fool to say no. I'm sure if he could change the culture, he would. People suck at figuring out what will make them happy in the future, and we are no exception. Those who aren't doing the hours aren't going to talk about it. I am scared to wait until I'm in my mid 30s to start having fun and enjoying my life. So I can totally respect the decision to do this, and I actually would like to do this if it weren't for the, I miss my wife, and my dog, and my life most days. The interventional cards stuff mostly impacts cardiothoracic. It has happened before and will happen again. The problem with IR is that there is a huge pool of DR that is willing to sub specialize into IR when the incentives come...and the time is ripe for that now. cult of Reddit. Just chill all day and do fun, very brief, procedures all day. The emphasis is on day-to-day residency information that is not covered on most educational sites. The US goes hard on encouraging consolidation in late 90s and 2000s (not just in healthcare but all major industries), which helps big money and hurts the small privately owned dialysis center or infusion center. YMMV. For more extensive information on residencies at BIDMC, visit the Office of Graduate Medical Education. I think it’s harder to get the relatively more lucrative medical career than it is to crush it in K-12 and land at a top ten undergrad business program that will provide you with the name and connections needed to pad your wallet. Do these two fields have good working hours? Senior Resident Engineer, Urgent Openings For the Private Medical Colleges, Resident Care Specialist and more! Rendered by PID 13012 on r2-app-078aaa38efecc071e at 2021-01-07 21:23:14.324080+00:00 running b3195af country code: US. I hope you get a real answer to your question. Resident Salary and Benefits 2020-2021 Annual Resident and Fellows Stipend It's boards, grades, and research. No idea there was a difference between the two. Additionally, the one attending I know gets 70 days of paid vacation a year. Certain fields still have incentives and the financial means to own your own private practice (all those ambulatory surgery centers). Yea, ESIR isn't a guarantee, even in the sense that there's no surefire way of saying that you'll be the one among your co-residents to get the limited number of ESIR spots in your residency. How about "We had a great match because people matched and matched into what they wanted regardless of specialty. They are highly respected by everyone (though my knowledge on the surgery side is suspect) I have talked too, and they are the definite go-to problem solvers. I want in. Year 3 Stipend: $72,288. Please include one of the following in your submission title, as appropriate for your submission (and include the brackets!) Firstly, selection bias. On the flip side I have also worked at a community hospital where IR was one single guy, and he placed PEG tubes, drained abscesses, and would do biopsies... and that was about it, because he was on call 365 days a year by himself. They're recruiting the current grads to build a practice/base. Does where you go for Radiology Residency affect your future salary? I also love the thought of being able to break up my day to day by stepping out of the reading room for a bit to do a couple of procedures. Who told you that? It could absolutely be a shift-based specialty with decent hours (like EM/hospitalist) or at least not 100 hours per week for years. I think it is a lot of people who love procedures and like to be hands on but they tend to be the outspoken extroverted type and I think that makes it seem more common than it is. Yes. I have a feeling that AUPD already knew this, but just giving a heads up to anyone who might be wondering what "interventional GI" meant. By the third I was bored as fuck. I agree with you. On an IR away I did (at a place with 100% IR), the fellows I worked with were getting job offers to start their own IR departments. Graduates of our program have excelled in both academic and private practice. [Serious] Why are med students buying into the hype of IR. I put them in, and they pay more money (for the time it takes and the liability involved) than anything else that I do. But practically speaking radiologists control access to the CT scanning equipment to do it. [+]tank2kw comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 2 years ago (0 children). I'm not talking about 2018...I'm saying with the new fellowship structure that is happening in a couple of years, there will be many more spots. [–]klermM-4 58 points59 points60 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]WohowudothatMD 19 points20 points21 points 2 years ago (1 child). Our large subspecialized radiology department performs and interprets almost 3 million exams each year. On one of my IR interviews, the PD told me that once the fellowship ends in 2020 he will prefer taking 2 year independent residents instead of ESIR because he will have them for 2 years. vascular has a robust job market and will do very well in the future. If requested before 2 p.m. you will receive a response today. [–]br0merMD-PGY5 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (1 child). Most surgery oriented people would die having to sit in a dark room for hours. Honestly, I'm scared to live frugally for the next 5 or so years because I feel like I've missed out so much during my life already (30 years old, haven't traveled anywhere, been driving a clunker, never owned anything, never been able to really help my parents who risked their lives to come to this country so I can have a better life). [–]GoljansUnderstudyMD-PGY3 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]YoungSerious 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (0 children), I like that a lot better than "Look, we had a 99% match rate!". - [Step 1], [Step 2], [Well-being], [Preclinical], [Clinical], [Research], [News], [Residency], [Serious], [Vent], [Shitpost], [High Yield Shitpost], or [Meme], IRC Channel: irc.snoonet.org port 6667 #medicalschool, or click HERE. EM is usually shift work and very little call. Do we join the AMA? But as long as think you will be happy doing what you see being done as a MS3/MS4, just go for it. [–]koolbro2012M-2 -5 points-4 points-3 points 2 years ago (6 children), isn't vascular dying a slow death. Its a good field, but the fundamentals of it did not change recently except for the fact that you can enter into it 1 year earlier. [–]t3stdummiMD-PGY3 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago* (0 children). That makes zero sense to me. One IR guy I spoke to a while back was on call like every other day or something ridiculous like that as an attending. What is wrong with wanting prestige and a high salary for your work if you are capable of getting it? I don't know. I think that’s why there is such discrepancy in what you see at different hospitals. Resident salary for the past 3.5 years was about $50,000 (working close to 75 hours per week) so I was only able to make close to minimum payments. Salary estimates are based on 3,319 salaries submitted anonymously to Glassdoor by Diagnostic Radiology Resident … People on the lower end of that spectrum, the bottom 10% to be exact, make roughly $47,000 a year, while the top 10% makes $65,000. Everybody wants to operate, but nobody want to lift no heavy ass surgical residency.... [–]AUPD111 133 points134 points135 points 2 years ago (14 children), [–]zlhillMD-PGY3 64 points65 points66 points 2 years ago (13 children). That's fair but I feel like these individuals will have the determination to do something about it. Filesharing is prohibited in this subreddit. IR absolutely trumps gen surg in terms of money for work done. [–]JPLoseman7 14 points15 points16 points 2 years ago (18 children). [–]AlexRoxMD-PGY3 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (0 children). because lots of folks are drinking it. Year 4 Stipend: $76,009. I honestly think general surgery is going to be able to take some IR procedures. At my hospital we have like 6-8 endovascular suites, and 6 CT guided rooms, and every room is booked at every hour from like between 7 and 8 until like 5 or 6 at night. why? Had some surgery attendants wished they did Radiology or derm (some obviously loved surgery and will die by it). Patient with never before seen lymphatic destruction and widespread fluid collections? [–]koolbro2012M-2 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago* (15 children). Ironically, I think the DR lifestyle is worlds better than IR. Everyone has a story about getting shit on during their surgery rotation, and unfortunately they come here to vent and take it out on surgery people. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 13012 on r2-app-078aaa38efecc071e at 2021-01-07 21:23:14.324080+00:00 running b3195af country code: US. So, in my opinion, IR allows med students who want that lifestyle to work toward that lifestyle, while being able to feel more like a doctor and feel sexier than telling people they're gonna sit in the dark and look at pictures. How many films/hours are these docs working to make their 400k+ salary? Salaries for residents training at NewYork-Presbyterian (NYP) are revised periodically and are competitive with similar northeast programs. I missed the mark on that one. anki decks). Any advice would be appreciated. Based on some of my friends who have gained a profound new interest in IR after earning a high step 1 and IR becoming integrated, it seems that it comes down to (1) "Procedural" stuff using cool toys in the OR, (2) Not going through surgery residency (esp GS), (3) because they think it's lucrative $$$$, and (4) More Lifestyle-friendly than a lot of surgery specialties. Damn ppl online keep saying $kin di$ea$es? But then these nice people are getting pressured by the chiefs to "be more mean" (for real, one of the chiefs said this), and I remember why I stayed far away from GS. [–]m3Zephyr 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (4 children), According to my family a radiologist is either an x ray tech as you said or cures cancer lol (radiation oncologist = radiologist apparently), [–]YoungSerious 17 points18 points19 points 2 years ago (3 children). [–]-PM_ME_YOUR_PUNSM-4 123 points124 points125 points 2 years ago* (1 child). Certain fields are protected (think low overhead outpatient with cash-based revenue -- derm, psych, direct primary care). what other fields are you thinking - rads? I think everyone still thinking about IR should check it out. Radiology Resident average salary is $58,120, median salary is $55,993 with a salary range from $45,000 to $70,595. IR is a brand new niche speciality that is still in flux and overlaps a ton with DR and the turf is still being fought over. The means step for IR integrated last year was 245. Below are the most recent radiology resident salary reports. [–]wioneoMD-PGY3 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child), [–]YoungSerious 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). Surgery graduates should be technicians who have mastered surgical and operative techniques, but IR docs are proceduralists who never get this. [–]Middleofnowhere123 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children), [–]lostgreyhounder 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (7 children). [–]zlhillMD-PGY3 22 points23 points24 points 2 years ago (5 children), Nephrologists used to own dialy$i$. Posts made by accounts with less than 10 comment karma or less than 3 days old will be automatically removed. [–]koolbro2012M-2 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (20 children). [–]-PM_ME_YOUR_PUNSM-4 16 points17 points18 points 2 years ago (13 children). Radiologist are the doctors for doctors. Any school that can set you up with these resources will make you succeed, it's up to you to decide on what makes you happy. [–]wioneoMD-PGY3 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children). Benefit of that is that you getting called in usually means you making more money. Good working hours can mean a lot here cause you can have a slow shift which is pretty easy, or a balls to the walls shift where there's too much going on and you might even need backup. "Really, you would just sit and look at pictures? On the flip side they all hate their jobs, so there's that. This is around the same time the Clinton universal healthcare plan fell apart and it was basically cemented that the business world would have a place in healthcare. Full-time. step is a 265 with research and connections in IR. Upon starting radiology residency, each resident is matched with a senior resident mentor (big sib-little sib program) who facilitates residents’ transition to UCSD, and a faculty mentor who provides support and guidance throughout residency training. Wouldn't you expect a school that's churning out dermatologists to be able to prepare you to match into a great neurology program? [–]koolbro2012M-2 -4 points-3 points-2 points 2 years ago (17 children). most IR physicians earn big bucks because of the film they read (more RVUs in reading film than IR procedures). This IRC channel is an entity that is independent of this subreddit listed here for the convenience of the community. He had scored high 90s on the exams so far but wasnt sure what he wanted to do. Medscape surveyed more than 1,900 residents from dozens of specialties in April 2018 for the report, asking them about their salaries, hours, how they feel about their careers and much more. Oh people keep saying that DR gonna become obsolete cuz of x and y? But I didn’t find that. [–]CoastalDocM-4 32 points33 points34 points 2 years ago (0 children). I see it as a way to mix a love of imaging + procedures + decent lifestyle. [–]koolbro2012M-2 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children). They are productive with numerous contributions to the literature, and they welcome … [–]Vibez420MD -4 points-3 points-2 points 2 years ago (4 children), You're essentially doing a residency and fellowship. Our paths diverged in college, but we started from the same place. Derm is super well established, well-defined, and distinct from other specialities. On ERAS you put in your data (if you want and even happen to click that section) and authorize release of your data for research, including CO. Radiology Residency In the rapidly advancing field of radiology, we are training tomorrow's leaders. PGY-1 $53,615; PGY-2 $54,365; PGY-3 $56,158; PGY-4 $57,799; PGY-5 $60,216; Department Benefits for Radiology Residents. Almost all medical residents — 93 percent — say salary potential influenced their specialty choice, at least to some degree, according to a survey conducted by Medscape.. should be directed to the PREMED subreddit. They're changing the fellowship to be 2 years in 2020, unless you're integrated IR/DR or at a program that offers ESIR in which case it stays the same length as it is right now. This is why 100% IR jobs are exceedingly rare. ... We aim to become the reddit home of radiologists, radiographers, technologists, sonographers and lay-users interested in medical imaging. For information about resident benefits and stipends, please visit the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Graduate Medical Education website. There has been increase in IR hype with the new integrated route but in all honest I don’t think there is much difference in practice or training since this new training route. Those crazy earnings are probably only available to DR if you work crappy hours. Effective July 1, 2020, annual resident salaries are as follows: NOTE: A Resident’s initial appointment will be set at the level associated with the minimum required experience needed to enter the program and aligns with the program’s required scope of practice for each training. That might vary but for the most part I think that’s generally true, [–]G00bernaculum 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). I rather go in and out and be able to sit down after a bit. Im sure IR will become less competitive over time and other specialities with equilibrate, [–]SorpalityMD-PGY2 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (4 children). An attending told me that IR will probably be saturated in a couple years with everyone buying in at the top right now. The people who yikes you are those who are too jealous to reflect on their shortcomings internally to have had the opportunity to have zero barriers to figuring out what they truly would want to practice in life. 2020-2021 Salaries [–]SorpalityMD-PGY2 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago* (0 children). Oh I know, that’s why I’m going into radiology. Earlier this year I had a conversation with a few of my classmates about our interests. Anesthesias hours follow that of surgery hours but once things get moving its less taxing, i.e. [–]strangerminds 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children). Almost all my attendings are out by 6, maybe 7 at the latest if a procedure ran really long. It gets old getting indirectly shit on by the EM/Neuro/IM/etc. [–]strangerminds 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (5 children). Honestly man, if salary divided by work is important to you, this is a no brainer. And I don't think I have to say this but a non-random, n<30, is not good enough to make a conclusion of any kind. Which of those 3 did you end up going into? [–]spartan039MD-PGY2 14 points15 points16 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]strangerminds 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (2 children). For neuro IR, neurologists and neurosurgeons will see the stroke/aneurysm first and keep the patient. But be prepared for things to change overnight, we as physicians aren't very strong. Half the time don't even know a single thing about it. If a current IR applicant was an applicant in 2008, and they would not apply to the speciality then, then they are making a mistake now. Make an Appointment. Yeah but they are fighting over who gets to steal all the new endovascular stuff that IR came up with lol. [–]surgresthrowawayMD 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (2 children). [–]hehyhehyhehyehhyehy 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child), [–]Middleofnowhere123 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children). Most of us don't know 100% what we are going into and everybody will have some sort feelings of unease. And yes, it's a very lucrative gig. The only people who are going to complain about hours are those who are doing them. [–]BigRedReppin 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (1 child). But the difference is having an IR department willing to actually be a consultant. Honestly, I think IR is really cool. staying the fuck away from that. 300+ so maybe more. Most IR specialists are now under 50, and it seems that half of rads fellows are going into IR. We get it: you don't like the OR. Is there any evidence that the ridiculous trial by fire is improving patient outcomes? A fellow was offered 1mil+ if you’re willing to move to a bit less desirable place. Like I know at my hospital, IR does get cases constantly added throughout the day, especially on fridays lol. I remember this one disgruntled plastic resident who wished he had done IR but never knew about it. 92. It will remain at a constant baseline as a speciality. All the opportunities will probably be gone by the time the first IR/DR class finishes up, though. The problem is a referral base for all IR procedures. The happiest 8 weeks of my 3rd year were doing exlaps, and I was thrilled to be doing them on sub-I. You only need one year of IR “fellowship/independent residency” however you wish to call it if you do ESIR. Salary & Benefits Page Content Residents enjoy many benefits which enable them to thrive in the Bay Area, with incremental increases in salary from R2 year starting at $68,548 to an R5 salary of $85,399 (with negotiations currently ongoing for further increase). Which is why I chose a specialty where I will have plenty of time to do that with my kickass lifestyle. 2016 was the least competitive radiology match ever. Previous examples of troll posts involved users seeking "help" on mundane or sensitive personal issues. When there is an extreme explosion of hype in anything in life (stocks, housing market, trends, other fields), it does not end well. It's malignant, and it sucks, and fuck that. How much does a Radiology Resident make? Two or three ports pays as well as a gastric bypass or a colectomy, and it's an outpatient procedure with very low risk. (saw this last month). Well, part of it. I don't like the ED, or the crazies in psych, or the fat bitch in peds who just can't believe I didn't have time to come do a full work up for her "little fella's tummy ache" that she couldn't manage. But maybe that's just me. They also are usually gone by 6pm on weekdays and if you aren't on weekend neuro or bleed call? It's in contrast to non-surgical specialties - like, why I picked EM over IM or something. The national average salary for a Diagnostic Radiology Resident is $49,475 in United States. A lot of the CT guided biopsies, etc, can easily be done by a surgeon. Just want to add that all GI residents will do procedures - upper and lower endoscopy - and that the additional procedural fellowship isn't called intervention GI but rather advanced endoscopy. Which isn’t to say they aren’t important or what they do isn’t hard - but ask any vascular surgeon what the “easiest” procedures are and they’ll tell you endovascular... same for nsgy. Definitely would agree it’s most likely hospital dependent. Also I don't really like the bread and butter surgery cases! Outpatient offices start getting bought out and then consolidating. However, the people interested in surgery who swap to IR are going to be disappointed eventually. I feel like part of it must have to do with the lure of the "sexy" factor. [–]TrilaudidM-4 16 points17 points18 points 2 years ago (0 children). So much of this sub craps on surgery and while I will count myself first in line to say "different strokes..." I do wish GS folks were shown the same courtesy as well. [–]ricky_bakerMD-PGY2 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (1 child). if we weren't bent over some diabetic foot wound or some dead gut, who the fuck would be? Applicants need to take a step back and understand why they are applying for a certain specialty. [–]nerfedpandaM-3 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]DerpyMDM-4 15 points16 points17 points 2 years ago (2 children). Online. Please limit posts concerning USMLE Step 1 or 2 to their respective stickied threads. Employer name has been removed to protect anonymity. [–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children), The rooms dont have to be dark anymore and its actually really nice compared to walking around the hospital or standing in a room all day, Then again i play sports so i get my exercise elsewhere, [–]DuckFootChickenWangM-2 288 points289 points290 points 2 years ago (17 children). are incredible. Do what you love don’t fuckin explain to anybody why you picked what you picked. I do agree that there will be many individuals who would have ended up in Uro or other integrated programs that will not be happy with the way IR is right now. Vascular has pretty much won the turf war on peripheral endo stuff at large institutions. Ports aren't money makers? us med students have a propensity to be extremely naive. [–]BiasPointer 15 points16 points17 points 2 years ago (5 children), He says as he applies for IR hoping to have all the options, [–]FucktheMcat22M-2 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children), [–]BiasPointer 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]Shoompee 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children). Now dialysis centers are corporate owned and most nephrologists are someone's employee, [–]spartan039MD-PGY2 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (4 children). Resident salary for the past 3.5 years was about $50,000 (working close to 75 hours per week) so I was only able to make close to minimum payments.